{"id":3515502,"date":"2025-08-20T08:14:13","date_gmt":"2025-08-20T08:14:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/?p=3515502"},"modified":"2025-08-20T08:14:13","modified_gmt":"2025-08-20T08:14:13","slug":"going-steady-with-herman-daly-a-new-podcast-series","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/stories\/2025-08-20\/going-steady-with-herman-daly-a-new-podcast-series\/","title":{"rendered":"Going Steady with Herman Daly &#8211; A New Podcast Series"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>Listen to the trailer.<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/4lrOMKOO45OI0JTQ6blrDA\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Spotify<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/trailer-going-steady-with-herman-daly-how-to-unbreak\/id1661371088?i=1000720676068\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Apple<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Listen to Episode 1, \u201cThere Are Limits to Everything.\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/36gnoskX4R8SUzHCv9kWeH\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Spotify<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/going-steady-with-herman-daly-there-are-limits-to\/id1661371088?i=1000722602120\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Apple<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Every once in a while, someone enters your life who changes everything. Herman Daly was one of those for me (and plenty of other people as well). When I met Herman in 2005, I was cruising along with my career in conservation biology and in full retreat from my former work in economic policy. I had lost interest in economics as a field of inquiry and a career pursuit, as it seemed both unscientific and detached from what I observed in the real world. That\u2019s why it\u2019s odd that Herman, an economist who worked in academia and at the World Bank, set me on a new course.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was introduced to Herman Daly in person, and in writing, at a conference. After speaking with him, as I was browsing books in the exhibit hall, I spotted a big green book with the title <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ecological Economics<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> that he had written with his coauthor, Josh Farley. I picked it up, read the first few paragraphs, and was happy to buy a book written by someone I had met. I proceeded to read this college textbook from cover to cover. Is it possible for a textbook to be refreshing, to provide relief for an economics refugee? Where had this treatment of economics been when I was studying the subject? From simple principles, such as:<\/span><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">the economy is a subset of the broader society, which is a subset of the biosphere, and<\/span><\/li>\n<li style=\"font-weight: 400;\" aria-level=\"1\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">growing the economy can be good or bad, depending on the costs and benefits of the growth,<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Herman and Josh laid out an economic worldview and set of policies that made sense in a world beset by all sorts of environmental and social problems. I wanted in. So I quit my job with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and managed a startup nonprofit dedicated to spreading Herman\u2019s ideas about the steady-state economy \u2013 a sustainable and fair economy that is right-sized for the ecosystems that contain it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I got to work with Herman for a spell, and I stayed in touch with him until his death in 2022. Now, 20 years on from when I met him, I\u2019ve been contributing time and effort to a new podcast series that covers his life and legacy. The podcast features never-before-released interviews with him (it\u2019s good to hear his voice again), and I learned things that I never knew about him. It also features the voices of his family members and some of the brightest do-gooders Herman influenced during his lengthy career. I hope you\u2019ll give it a listen. Our friends at C40 Cities and the <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Cities 1.5<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> podcast have done a fantastic job putting it together.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>About the Podcast<\/b><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Going Steady with Herman Daly: How to Unbreak the Economy (and the Planet)<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is a five-episode audio miniseries from the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/ca\/podcast\/cities-1-5\/id1661371088\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Cities 1.5<\/span><\/i><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> podcast.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This miniseries explores the life, ideas, and enduring legacy of ecological economist Herman Daly, a quiet revolutionary who spent decades challenging the myth of endless economic growth. Through never-before-heard archival interviews, personal stories from family members, and reflections from leading economists and thought leaders such as Kate Raworth, Peter Victor, Cl\u00f3vis Cavalcanti, Gaya Herrington, Bob Costanza and many more, the miniseries traces how Daly\u2019s vision of a steady-state economy offers a blueprint for surviving climate breakdown, tackling runaway inequality, and rethinking the notion of prosperity itself. With cities across the world on the frontlines of escalating wildfires, floods, and political instability, driven by a global economy still hooked on fossil fuels, GDP growth, and failed neoliberal dogma, Daly\u2019s work provides the moral and intellectual grounds for a new economic direction that is rooted in sustainability, justice, and ecological balance.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Going Steady with Herman Daly<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is produced by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/utppublishing.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">University of Toronto Press<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> and supported by <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.c40.org\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">C40 Cities <\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">and the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/thecentre.substack.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">C40 Centre for City Climate Policy and Economy.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With cities across the world on the frontlines of escalating wildfires, floods, and political instability, driven by a global economy still hooked on fossil fuels, GDP growth, and failed neoliberal dogma, Daly\u2019s work provides the moral and intellectual grounds for a new economic direction that is rooted in sustainability, justice, and ecological balance.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":128238,"featured_media":3515510,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[79717,213528,79718],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3515502","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-economy","category-economy-featured","category-environment"],"acf":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515502","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/128238"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3515502"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515502\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":3515511,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3515502\/revisions\/3515511"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/3515510"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3515502"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3515502"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.resilience.org\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3515502"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}